Spencer Hodgetts believes that undesirable dogs & disadvantaged people have the right to belong in society! As a social entrepreneur, he recently launched Reboundog. They are a group of Pet Advocacy & Therapy Professionals collaborating globally to resolve those wicked problems which we cannot do alone.
In the near future, they will have a Membership Village to mentor & educate the next generation, empowering communities of which others wish to connect.
What if those communities we empower enable undesirable dogs & disadvantaged people to have an acceptable value in society?
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Reboundog website: reboundog.com
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I’m Spencer Hodge. It’s and I’m pleased to be here with my host, Chris Roy, from the Innovation Show. You’ve tuned into the animal innovation show where we feature people, products, services and ideas that are helping animals and the people who care for them live better lives. If it’s innovative, and if it helps animals, you can find it here first, so get ready. Here comes this week’s newest innovation for Animals. Welcome, Spencer. Thanks for joining us today. So why don’t you tell us a little bit of who you are and how you’re innovating to help animals and Spencer Hodge? It’s and I believe the undesirable dogs and the disadvantaged people have a right to actually belong in society rather than being cast into the dark shadows. So as a social entrepreneur six months ago, I launched Rebound Dog, which would call my puppy, and we’re a bunch of pet advocacy and therapy professionals collaborating globally on those huge wicked problems those social issues that we cannot solve alone, the ones we get out of bed and drivers to change the world on. But we can’t do it alone. So the intent of Rebound Dog is to become the platform where we can engage with each other. And then, secondly, in the new year I’ve talked to other people about this, and the idea is to bring a membership village together on the same platform where the next generation of pet advocacy and paraprofessionals can come to learn from our experience so they can go on and change. And the idea is that platform and those people will then be able to empower communities to which others wish to belong. And the big ask is now. What if those communities that we empower actually enable those undesirable dogs and those disadvantaged people to belong to participate in society? That’s some goal. Let’s make it happen together today, and that is the core of what drives me that really is. It’s to change, to bring about that inclusive. We talk about an inclusive society, we’ve gone through covid. We’ve gone through the coronavirus pandemic where we’ve suddenly a lot of us working up and thought, I’m lonely. It isn’t just the people at a disadvantage. I’m lonely. It’s a big world out there, So how do we help people out in a talk yesterday and we’re looking at the cost of training or re training the dogs out of rescuers like they do with the US prison dog programs. The ones that get kicked around that aren’t the fluffy ones that go. Oh, I want to take this home and okay, because it’s pretty. It’s a little she’s doing things, the ones I’ve got a bit of a rough background. I used pit bulls as a labeled, and how do we help them to become the trainer of the disadvantaged person talked about prison dog programs, the people that have never had anybody listen to them. And if you watch any of the videos coming out of the States on social media about those programs, it’s the lightbulb moment between the dog there and the person there and they go, he she is listening to me, Yeah, probably for the very first time, without prejudgment and we’re so especially in the Western society, we’re so boxed into labeling people’s and we disregard the homeless people and I’ll give you a bright new up to date. The thing that my wife said to me yesterday, we’ve just come out of lockdown in the UK two people and go into the pubs for beer to do so, they have to buy a meal. They are discarding the food that they buy just to have the beer. And a lady bought a pizza and she would not give it to the homeless guy that’s sitting outside the pub. Yeah, that’s true story. She left it on the table and touch to the guy owns the pub had to put it in the bin. That is how much we you can see the shock in your face. That is how much we discard people because we don’t think they’re one of us. And if we’re going to come out of this covid pandemic and create an inclusive society, we have to look at ways of engaging them. That’s the people side. The dog side is we have to look at innovating how we do rescue. It’s been going on as a charity based model that we take the dogs off the street or out of the puppy mills, and we find the funds through a charity based model of philanthropic funding, and hopefully we’ll find somebody wants to say, Oh, I like that dogs, that’s insurance, baseball, whatever. We have to look at ways of creating that. Those dogs have a value in society if we can enable some of them to become therapy dogs, but not just the therapy dogs that are actually pre trained, like they do with the veterans with PTSD and the this site dogs and the hearing dogs. But if we can do it, where those dogs actually have a value in society, where they become help somebody to train so they teach people to listen, then that person who has previously disadvantaged whichever tag you want to put on people, they’ve got somebody to actually inspire them to change the whole point of rebound up. It’s to change. It’s to inspire that change within the animal rescue community and within the disadvantaged, underprivileged people side of the world. Somebody said there’s a cost. Yes, there is a cost. But if you turn that cost from the cost of training the dogs and the people to that big, huge social burden cost, we have at the moment that’s coming out of our taxes. On what it’s costing society to discard those people and throw them away. It bounces out and we end up achieving what a lot of us is trying to do is to actually create that inclusive society. Yeah, so I mean, it’s really interesting to be Spencer, because you’re not You’re not going to tackle a small thing, right? So, like you said, I mean, we’re headed down a path, which is good, that we’re not just completely euthanizing for space, right? There’s more behavioral challenge dogs, you know, the harder kiss. And so your vision is to take some of these rescue animals and compare them with people that, like you said, have not had the best knock at life and try and here the two together. So you’re really wanting to help animals and people at the same time? Yes, and that’s my personal goal. Rebound Dog has the potential to diversify into other realms. There’s issues that people are looking at, how we prepare and care for pets when we’re not physically here when we died, for instance, or we’ve got to divorced. There’s people are looking at how we teach people to be owners of dogs before they own the dog. Before you buy a car, you have to have a car license to get the car license. You have to have a test. Why don’t we have a test car dog license in place for the people so they become responsible owners rather than going through the situation which I see and I’m not alone is that you talked about euthanasia. There’s going to be a huge potential tsunami for encouragements, abandonment post covid when people have either got fed up with them because they’ve got the experience. They run out of money because they can’t lost their jobs and they’ve run out of funding because fellow or whatever you call it in the States, the support government supporters run out or they’ve gone back to work and it doesn’t fit their lifestyle. 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Where do you start like there is a lot to this right? There’s a lot of options. There’s a lot of programs that are needed. So kind of. What’s your vision? Step by step. Where are you going to focus on first? Is it education? Is it trying to provide that platform that form for people to have the conversation? I don’t know all the answers, and I never will. But if I can provide the platform so that people can have the conversation so we can bring the animal rescue centers and charities together, we can bring the social workers in. We can bring psychologists in from both the human side and the animal psychologists in and other sectors of society. So what if you look at the logo of Rebound Dog? It’s a dog framed by two brackets. One version of that, it’s the open shelter. Cajuns bust open to the dog can get out on the other side. Is it bust down? What unites states called silos? That too many industries and people live in their own silo, and we don’t see we can’t see outside the horse blinkers. So if Rebound Dog can provide that platform, that space, that opportunity through being one social impact network so we can collaborate on those big issues and secondly, become the membership Village. Then it starts to look at how we can engage those conversations. So, yes, I see my role as a host of those conversations to enable people, as you will do in a business network or a society ball. You’re the host that invites the guests in. I’m the host invites the guests in. So then they can have their own conversations rather than me being C of a project that says we’re going to do X y Z in a matter of time. As you said, it’s a social network. You’re not trying to own it. You’re trying to spark. It is probably the work that you’re trying to facilitate. So what’s your background like, Spencer? How did you get to this point? Interesting. My original background working for the 1st 25 years is horticultural environmentalism. I grew up on a beach, so I see symbiotic relationships in natural ecosystems. Instantly, we’ve got a huge ecosystem garden. I can walk around and see the interactions between the different plant species. And I’ve always had that as this big networking vision. I can see it in people networks. So my background is to bring that and how we create something that people don’t necessarily see. I can see a wider space. My background is in horticulture. My background is in truck driving, where I was also a union where I represented 7000 UK employees with a global board, the fourth largest logistics company. So I’ve got the networking experience. I’ve got the capability to enable people to represented people on business lobby groups of representing small businesses where we get the MPs and the MPs to actually sit up and take action. And that’s what my Corp ability is to allow people who aren’t normally listen to to be heard by those who can make an influence. So the role of the initial part of rebound dogs to find those influences to find those professionals who can make a difference you are making a difference. And how do we expand the programs beyond what they’re doing originally, if you go back 50 years? I was in the Boy Scouts, the boy Cubs and I got on TV. When there were 23 radio channels in the UK there was literally two stations. Was it three? And I got into because we used to have a thing called Bob a job week, which is you get a dime for every job you do in the household thing. I wrote so much money back then that I was interviewed on TV when I slide shorts, exactly black and white TV. So I’ve been involved in this sort of idea of being able to expand one like one bob a job into something that’s larger. How do you represent one employee and take it to a global board, a public company? How do you get an MP in the UK to sit down and say how this guy in Plymouth, in the Southwest, the UK, who runs a small business, employs 20 people. How did you get that MP to sit down? So we’ve got an issue on X, y or Z and make it and then to I’ve also had a very deep listening background. Or I can listen this thing without prejudgment. I can listen to a conversation where it isn’t. Actually, I’m not thinking of the answer that you’re saying that the response. I’m really listening to what you want to hear, and that’s what’s essential. And that is one thing that really necessary as we create these conversations is how do we have those deep listening conversations? There’s concern. What I read recently, there’s what we call it. There is a need for inter professional collaboration within the veterinary nurses profession. They don’t interact with other professions. Yeah, there’s also the fact there’s a lot of stress from the veterinary profession, both here and in the States, which, unfortunately, the suicide. But again it comes down to listening and my background is I can listen, and that comes out of a background of growing up on the beach. I sat down and listen to the voice to catch her and observed observed how it worked. So I’ve taken that background that I’ve had for 50 years and found something that really drives me. We’ve been married 40 years, and we’ve probably been rescued dogs for most of that part, some have gone. We still have four, and that’s what drives me. We don’t have the family. So what drives me? It drives something that somebody hasn’t got. A voice can be heard that’s being kicked around, whether it’s human or canine, who can be feeling whatever. But how do we give that animal, that person an opportunity to participate? It’s through listening. It’s through making other people who can make a difference. The politicians and lawmakers you talk about systems, advocacy and so forth. How do we get to the change makers? We connect and we collaborate. So we bring people together and that together we can really, really make a difference. Interesting. So if you’re looking back, Spencer, if you fast forward five years, what does it look like? What is your vision? What is your dream for? Rebound dog? What does it look like five years from now, we have an established platform that is the name without the ego I don’t need. The ego is just the place that becomes the facilitator. The platform becomes the facilitator of those collaborations of those educational programs, not necessarily where you become, go and become an educational program where you become the next dog trainer. There’s 1000 and one websites out there teach you how to be on a dog trainer. But how do we become the educational program where we enabled to change? How do we disrupt the system? It’s broken in a lot of ways. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We wouldn’t have rescue dogs. We wouldn’t have homeless people. We won’t have veterans abandoned with PTSD. The kick around on the streets and some of those are homeless as well. We wouldn’t have people with autism with Asperger’s that are excluded from society. So the system is broken. My vision in five years that I’ve helped spark something that enables that to start to change. Then if the next generation, then take it over from when I’m not around, either. I’ve retired pushing up the daisies, Arizona seed, a seed of an acorn grows into a tree. If you look at quirk as robot, which is the English okay, supports 365 species of insects and so forth and bird life that’s one for every day of the year. If the seed of rebound dog can grow and support 365 and got how many fingers people to think and if you talk it into numbers and if you talk. So we had 1000 members of Rebound Dog and each one of those enables another 10 people enable another temple. It just it just snowballs. My vision in five years time is that we together become the established platform as a social impact network as a membership village. That isn’t super complicated, but it just enables the change to happen that is necessary to so we create a more equal society. I don’t have a la la vision that it’s going to be wonderful and everybody is going to participate, and we’re going to change every problem in the world like I know, probably I’ve been kicked around too much over my life and ignored and so forth, So I’m a realist It’s not gonna happen, but I’m willing to spend every day. I was really a note today, and it’s about maximizing the time and what you want to do, rather than trying to minimize the time on what you don’t. My goal for 2021 is to maximize the time on what I want to do and what I want to do. And I’ll get out of this chair and I’ll go and talk to anybody and ask for their ear to listen and ask, How can we do this together? What is it you want, rebound old to do? What are you working on? What are you concerned about? How can we help? How can we facilitate that for you to the program that you’re working on, whether it’s working on the street gangs, the kids in Baltimore or any other state or in the UK, you think it’s cool to abuse an animal? How do we help that program increase? What are the problems with the psychology programs with the people and mental health issues and so forth? How do we address loneliness in elderly people, and how do we How do we expand? Yes, I have a big goal. I always have had stupidly big seem big pictures. Somebody said I want to become a dog trainer I said, We can train one dog and I’m taking into one care home or one prison doesn’t scale. Yeah, I can become a dog rescue. Yeah, good enough to land in the barns, but it only rescues one animal. It doesn’t change the system. It continually just perpetuates what is already existing. As I said earlier, said earlier, Chris, there’s something fundamentally broken. I don’t know what all the answers are that there’s a need to help support all the charity side of the society. And there’s also a need to support and build on the trade associations to trade bodies that are doing wonderful work. I was reading recently about one of the animal groups in the States who started to collaborate and bring their members together. How do we build on that? How do we help them? Look at it, How do we support? We can provide a platform to do that where they can come and say, Yes, we can do that together. It’s not about taking their business away or marketing or anything like that, it’s actually the end goal is to enhance and improve the lives of those that have been kicked around. 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You’re not trying to replicate or duplicate, and you’re trying to just add fuel to what the activities are that already taking place. And what I really like is you’re encouraging these organizations to work together and support one another. I mean, we have a common goal of helping animals and helping people. So you’re really trying to join them together instead of what I see today is a lot of competition and, you know, in fighting and something that’s supposed to be uplifting, it’s supposed to be mission based. It’s supposed to be why we get up out of bed every day, right to do these things. Yeah, there is too much inviting. There’s too much. I think a lot of organizations have lost the plot that you can talk about mission, that I’ll be critical and I’m not often critical. But yes, a lot of organizations and so forth have actually lost the purpose of what they actually started out to do. And if they sat down and reviewed, why are we talking about why why are we here? What are we doing? What we what is our strategy for achieving that? There’s time and I think Covid has given us the opportunity to sit back and think I think it’s given that opportunity because we can do things differently. You can see it in the rescue world, and it’s not just in the pet rescue world. It’s a lot of charity world. They’ve run out of money because the business model wasn’t resilient. If you talk about the natural world, there’s a natural resilience. Things adapt and evolve and change and change their local conditions. A lot of businesses a lot of organizations are set up to do. They follow the fingers. Don’t think that we do that. There’s a linear goal, but there’s no if you use my ring as the exact there’s nothing there that what if that ring explodes and falls off? What happens if I lose that finger? How do I How do I cope with 44 fingers and a thumb three fingers in the firm? How do we do that? And it needs. It needs to be start people to think. We talk about circular economies and systems thinking and so forth. These are the things that need to start to come into play. Not that they’re the perfect model, but just slightly think slightly differently. If Rebound dog conclude from the facilitator of those deep conversations rather than you say, rather than just keep replicating the system. So we carry on rescuing dogs carry on Finally, charity funding. We keep finding lovely people who want to take the one that will carefully etcetera. But it’s all the other issues that go with it. And it’s all the other issues that we can’t keep. Just providing shelters to homeless people and so forth. And it helps. What’s the problem that’s caused in the homeless shelters? What’s the problem? Stopping homeless people taking their dogs into private rental? What’s the issue that’s stopping landlords taking long pets to come into rentals, which is again causing abandonment? What’s the issue? That’s when somebody gets older or even my age or older and has dementia and they can’t cope with the dog. What’s the solution? I don’t know. There’s somebody out there in the world. Several people out there got great ideas of how we can disrupt that, So then we can start to say yes in the future in five years, he asked about five years to 25 years time, we start to think about what is the model we want to build that actually allows people with dementia that they can know that their dog is going to be cared for when they can’t cope for dinner longer. And they go from their own home into a care home or a nursing home. Or what happens in those situations. What happens if I lose my job? And what happens if I lose my job and I can’t take my pets into the next? You know I’m homeless on the streets? Who cares? We really have to start thinking about how we care for people rather than just throwing money at it and throwing money at it and say, Oh, yes, well, fund this organization or this charity And then it’s their problem, how they deal with it. Rebound dog. I’ve talked about social impact. It’s the opportunity to self collaborate, collaborated between other members rather than the lead. All the discussions it’s an opportunity to you can come together and collaborate on those projects together, and that enables the spark. It’s always a case of one and one equals two, but 11 actually equals three, and it probably equals a lot, and you start doing more times it equally. Five or 500 it’s that sort of thing. It’s that spark. It’s that Vesuvius coming out to the top of my head. I have the vision to make it happen. So, Spencer, if people want to learn more about Rebound Dog and maybe get in touch with you, how can they do it two ways one is through. Rebound dog dot com On there, you’ll find rebound dog dot com for slap membership At the moment we are looking to scale. So I put an offer out there that is $25.1 off lifetime membership, no further fees for life. So that’s a no brainer to join. That helps start to fund the ideas. And I talked about maximizing my time that allows to meet Max my time and talk to people such as cells, how we build a website so it does what it needs to be doing. The second side is as an inquiry button on the top of the website on right inside your contact on linked and you can find the indispensable Hodge. It’s and I will have my own linking group for pet ocracy, Thera Professionals network linking group so that several ways for you to contact me. Yes, I would love to being involved in more conversations, if only wants to ask questions I would love to talk about. Yes. Please call me Spencer. I’ve really enjoyed talking to you and learning more about Rebound Dog today. Is there anything else you wanted to mention before we wrap things up? I was building some cue cards yesterday for the talk and slightly for this one. And one thing that came to mind from notes. It’s like building constellations, not stars. So we’re building the galaxy. We’re building the Milky Way. We’re not building one star. We’re building a constellation. Well, I think you’ve got big aspirations, and I’m excited to see where this goes. So thanks for coming on to share with us today, Spencer. And as a reminder for our viewers and listeners, if you’ve got an idea for innovative product or service or any type of idea that’s innovative, just go to innovations that show and let us know about it because I’d love to have them on the show to talk with them. So thanks again, Spencer, for coming on today. Appreciate it. Thank you, John. Chris, It’s been wonderful. Thank you for listening. Thanks for joining us for the animal Innovations show. 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