Episode 16 – Paul Owens

Paul Owens

Paul Owens

Paul began training dogs in 1974. He has been a leading proponent of positive, force-free animal training for over 45 years. In 2015, Paul was named one of the first 27 accredited professionals in the world to earn the title of Professional Canine Trainer-accredited through the Pet Professional Accreditation Board, and in 2018, he was voted one of the Top Ten dog trainers in the United States by toptendogtips.com.

“He believes nonviolence fosters nonviolence. Because of the link between dog and human behavior, nonviolent dog training contributes to helping build a world of peace for humans and dogs. When people, especially children, are successful using nonviolent methods with animals, they feel good about themselves and they are encouraged to have a kinder, more positive attitude with their friends, family, and themselves.”

Paul Owens is the best-selling author of three books and three DVD’s which have been translated into several languages and have sold over 600,000 units all over the world: the best selling The Dog Whisperer: A Compassionate Nonviolent Approach to Dog Training (Adams Media), The Puppy Whisperer, The Dog Whisperer presents: Good Habits for Great Dogs and the newly released Welcome Home! DVD.

The Dog Whisperer book was rated a “classic” by the Whole Dog Journal and the Dog Whisperer DVD was reviewed as “the best DVD on basic training of pets for the pet owner…” in the APDT newsletter: Chronicle of the Dog.

Website: https://originaldogwhisperer.com

Paul Owens Learning Library: https://originaldogwhisperer.com/paul-owens-learning-annex/

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 Hey, Paul, Welcome to the show. Thank you for inviting me. Nice to be here. Good. I’m really excited to have you. I just want to dive right in. So why don’t you tell me a little bit about who you are? How you got into this industry and share a little bit with me about your philosophy. I think if you interview anybody that’s this age, by the way, let me tell you 70 is the best age ever. I’m a big fan of the elderly. If you have an elderly dog, I like puppies, and I like all dogs. But the elderly and puppies, I’m all over it. I love it. I love it. So anybody that you interview that is this age or coming up on this age, has the basic same story and so I started back in the seventies, and all they had at that time was leash corrections, choke collars, problem collars, pinning a dog to the ground, grabbing the dog by the stout. All that stuff, I was really good at it. I got a dog. Excuse me. My first dog in 1972 and I took her through training, and it turned out that I had a little bit of a talent for it and so I started helping with the classes, being an assistant. And then I started taking on clients of my own. But that’s how I taught, and I was really good at it.

 In 1975 my first dog, Tara, who was a golden retriever, was with me in competitions, obedience competitions. She wasn’t trained with positive methods. And so anybody who has been around this long will tell you that that’s all we did, is the leash corrections, and everything. And she went on to become nationally recognized with another trainer, actually, So when we walk into clients, we can say, Listen, I’m an authority on negatives. Negatives work. If a child is creating on the walls, the parent has two choices. They could threaten the child. They can hit the child, they could punish the child. Or they can put the Crayons away so the child can’t do it. And this was happening in the dog training world. In 1980 I had an epiphany and said this is no way to treat a family member and a friend, so I had to go back to school to learn psychology, being positive but not permissive but treating a dog like a family member. And took 2 to 3 years of study for that transition to be made. And that’s how we positive trainers use the same terminology. It’s prevention and management. Set your dog up, just like you would your child, set the environment up so you don’t have to punish. And number two, teach the dog what you want it to do instead. 

So it’s all about prevention and management substitution. If you have a dog that’s having a problem, you don’t say, oh, you stupid dog, how ignorant are you? This or that or anything else. All you say. I see where you’re at. This is where we’re going to start. This is the great level that you’re at. I’ve got your back. You’re not here to protect me. I’m here to protect you. And as far as I’m concerned as a dog, just like any other family member, A- I’m going to keep this environment safe for you so you can trust me, and then B-I’m gonna do everything I can to make you happy. And that’s the relationship, the change that’s happened over the last 15-20 years, especially, from this whole thing of dogs are property. Do this other thing. You got a dog. The first thing you’re doing is trying to form a relationship with your dog. You don’t   or punish them to get them to do stuff. You want them to do stuff because it’s for their benefit. The more you teach them, the more of their learning ability takes shape, which affects everything else in their life and keeps everybody safe.

 I love it, Paul. So my question really for you, after what you shared is how did you make that transition? Because when you got into this, it was really about stopping the behavior and the negative, the collars and holding their snout. And then somewhere in that, you made this transition and realized that it was positive reinforcement and getting them to do what you wanted them to do instead of yelling at them. So how did that transition work for you since you’ve been doing this for so long? I left dog training for a few years because I started traveling around the world and you can’t have a dog and travel around the world. It just doesn’t work too well. You make it work. But anyway, my brother, when I got back this was, uh, again right around the mid-eighties. My brother got a dog and he said, You know, this new dog I got, he’s barking all the time. And so I went over there and I said, Okay, this is what you do. And so I put a choke collar on him and he barked and I yanked the dog. And the leash just flew out of my hand and I said, what the heck am I doing? One of the things I had been doing when I left dog training was to start to practice yoga and everybody has their own way of doing things. My consciousness changed, and that’s when the thoughts ran through my head. This is no way to treat a family member and a friend. I told my brother I’m gonna come back and I’m going to show you how to do this. There’s gotta be a way to do this and it was the mid-eighties when Karen Pryer came out with her book. You know, “Don’t Shoot the Dog”, which is kind of like the seminal issue of all this training on how you do all this stuff, or introduction to it. And then I read every book that was out there, and so since then, there has been a tremendous amount, but yeah, it took me a couple of years to learn how to do this.  But I can speak with authority. Negative training works, positive training works.

 You know, I think what I really like about that, Paul, truthfully, is that you went on this journey on your own. Nobody was telling you what you’re doing is wrong. That one pivotal moment made you change something about yourself. You got in touch with who you are. You realized that you didn’t want to be that mean guy, choking another Centeon bean. And so I love that you went on that journey for yourself. Oftentimes in society, we are told, you have to do it this way because that is what you need to be doing. I like this self progression in that. So I appreciate that story. 

You also do a couple of their programs, or at least they were listed on your website and I don’t know if you’re still doing them. One was the, is it Paws for Peace? And then you do like bite prevention stuff. Yeah, Every once in a while I do free programs where I go into grade schools and elementary schools. We teach children how to be nonviolent with each other and how to be nonviolent with themselves. You can’t expect your dog to be in control, if you’re not in control and teach them how to breathe. So we teach them a breathing exercise to help them get more self-confidence, but also to help them get a little bit more control. One of the stories, for example. We always ask the children, how were you able to use what you’ve learned in this class and training your dog? How were you able to use this with your family? And a little fourth-grader, little fourth-grade girl. She raised her hand and I said, OK, Susie, what was your story? She said, Well, my, I’m gonna tear up when I do this one. She says, My mother, she has a new boyfriend and he isn’t very nice and they argue a lot. And she said, it gets really scary and she said so the last time they started yelling at each other, I took my doll and we went to our hiding place, which just killed me right there. The fact that she has to go hide. And she said, I taught my doll the breathing, and that helped both of us.

 But that’s the value of his whole dog, our relationships, that’s we have relationships with dogs. It isn’t like when I was training, started training, our dogs aren’t property, our dogs are family. One of the things that I introduced to people and I’ll send these to you, if you want, is the work that they’ve done so much over the last 10-15 years, especially is the dogs have the same cognitive ability of a 2 to 4-year-old child. That dog in Great Britain just this past week,    I think, was his name. Who knew the name of over 1000 different toys. Now, what human being do you know that could name 1000 different toys?

 Do you know what a term active listening is? Active Listening is, if you’re speaking to somebody, you’re constantly monitoring whether what you’re saying is getting across because people have different meanings for words. And if you have a college-level education and you’re using all these big words in your dog class, well, then you’re not actively listening because people don’t know what the heck you’re saying. So any good dog trainer, it isn’t just me or any good teacher is very skilled at active listening because if people aren’t understanding what you’re saying, you present it in another way. Don’t speak if you don’t speak Spanish, you know. Don’t speak college level if you’re in the fourth grade, and basically I’m in the fourth grade.

 And if you have a class and you’re speaking to anybody, professional dog trainers recognize when the light bulb goes off. Everybody said it’s at that point, we all say, And now you’ve probably noticed this is 90% human training, 10% dog training and people go, Oh yeah, that makes sense. And here’s what examples that I get: there are a couple of examples. One of the rules is you never ask a dog to do something that gives them a signal, like sit or stay unless you’re 90% sure the dog’s going to do it. And so you have people going. Sit, sit, sit, sit, sit, sit. And the dog thinks if I knew what “sit” means and if there was enough money involved cause dogs are transactional whoever has the money is why they do stuff, just like us. And so I point it out. I said, Okay, listen, Frank, if you turn to Madeleine, your wife over there and you say,” Honey, did you figure it out yet? Honey, did you figure it out? Honey, did you figure it out yet?” She turned around bop you in the nose! And I said that’s the same thing with dogs. So if you’re 90% sure the dog will do it, then you say it. But then you wait 45 seconds.

 Now there’s only one other trainer in the world that I know that does this. There’re probably others. But because I’ve been doing this for so long, I have found that that length of time, it takes a dog and a human being to process things. Now, when I go into clients, I have to say the dogs are checking their Rolodex. Well, now people don’t know what a Rolodex is. So the dogs are checking all of their brain memory banks. And how long does it take for the brain to check all of their memory banks to see if they’ve got something in their library? The average time is 45 seconds. Now science hasn’t proven this yet, but because I’ve been doing this so long, I have found, after all these thousands of dogs, yeah, it takes humans and it takes dogs an average of 45 seconds to process things. What human beings do, where they process is, they’re fidgeting. They lick their lips, they drum their fingers. If I had hair, I might chew it. Walk back and forth and everything. What dogs do when they process, you’ve asked them to go get a particular toy, for example. And you say, Go get squeaky. And the dog says, OK, OK, OK, time out. Let me think about this. They blink, they lick their lips, they yawn, they scratch. They sometimes do a shake off. They sometimes do a walk away, where they walk 3-6 feet away They’ll say time out, Time out. Let me think about this. And the reason I point this out to people is that now the person, the human being is learning how to speak dog. And when a person understands that their dog is actually communicating to them, it’s mind-blowing. 

So to make sense of this, the first thing I tell people is this old minion thing. We have 100 billion neurons. So if you look at them as minions, they’re laughing and singing and having a good old time. They’re figuring out what’s going on and all of a sudden they said, Yeah, we understand this. Here’s what you’re looking for. Here is the memory you were looking for. Here is the behavior that you’re looking for. They do all the work for us. 99% of learning is unconscious. So when I go in and I do a class and I said, OK, you’re teaching the dog to sit. This is the conscious part. But when I leave and while your dog is sleeping and while you’re sleeping, the same parts of your brain that are being lit up right now, keep replaying it. 

So I’ll send you a little booklet. It’s called “How to Grow a Behavior” because behaviors grow just like tomato plants. So I’ll send you this little booklet that I did. You don’t have to stand out next to the tomato plant, after you plant the seed, and say, Grow now! OK, you can do it. I believe it does. You know, you just plant it, you fertilize it, you water it and then you go out there and it is as if by magic, 2 to 12 months later, there’s a little tomato and then it grows and then it’s ripe. Behaviors take 2 to 12 months to grow. So I tell people, you know, you don’t go out and yell at your tomato plant and say, Hey, you stupid tomato plant. How come you’re not growing quicker? What are you doing? And what’s with the brown leaf? It’s just a tomato plant, and that is what behavior is. The dog is not doing things out of spite or they’re angry at you or any of this,  it’s just a behavior. And how long does it take? 2- 12 months. So why are you yelling at your dog, who’s peeing in the house? It’s a puppy. And puppies aren’t house trained until they’re approximately 4-9 months of age. If you’re on top of it, with repetition and consistency, your puppy can be house trained by the time they’re 4 months of age. If you’re not consistent, which we humans aren’t, and why aren’t we consistent? It’s because it takes us 2-12 months to learn how to become reliable with our dogs and consistent that’s it.

 So this all back what you asked me about, well how do you make this relatable to people? People are exactly the same., How long does it take you to play a song on the piano, without having to think about it? 2 to 12 months. If you’re speaking a new language, how long does it take before you don’t have to think about it and you just order food? 2-12 months, sometimes longer. If somebody came in and changed your silverware drawer, how long would it take you to stop going back to the old silverware drawer? 2 to 12 months. They’re just neural pathways. New brews that have to grow. This all pertains to what you were mentioning earlier on, which is you’re not trying to stop a dog from doing something. You’re trying to grow a substitute behavior. I want my dog to sit instead of jump. I want my dog to lie down instead of begging at the table. I want my dog to get a toy, instead of my slippers. I want my dog to get me a beer, instead of barking at me, you know? But, so, what do you want your dog to do? It isn’t what do you want your dog to stop doing. 

Right. You know, when I came across that on your website, it made me stop and pause and think, Well, that is really what you’re trying to get them to do. It’s just a different way of thinking, right? I think we were so for so many years, it was all about, stop doing this. Stop doing this. Stop doing this. And somewhere in the last, I don’t know how many years now we’re making that shift. And it’s all about positive reinforcement. And what do we want them to do? But until you said that, in your videos, it didn’t dawn on me, that that’s what we were trying to do. So I really love that piece of it. So it isn’t about conflict. It isn’t about butting heads. It’s about trying to create an environment and many great dog trainers and dog professionals in the world. Let me see if I can access, I was talking to earlier, about how you have to give your dog 45 seconds. You have to give the person you’re talking to 45 seconds. You have to give yourself 45 seconds to process to try, and there it is. I told my brain to go find the name of this guy. It was a very important quote and say, with Bob Beta play and Bob and Mary Bailey were really just geared. Bob is still around and they were the ones that got involved with the Navy and teaching dolphins. They were students of B. F. Skinner, who started this whole thing about Operant Conditioning. And so to listen to those fonts of wisdom is just amazing. And Bob said, Well, he was asked, What do you think the most important part of this whole thing is? He says I have just never forget, dogs have a choice. And so if you’re talking to a human being, you’re telling them not to do something, well, you’re taking that, Well, then I’m gonna choose to do it anyway. If you give them options and this is the scientific part of it. You’re opening up this part of the brain, which is the creative part. If you’re really a stop sign up, this is more than you want to know about all this stuff. But there’s this primal aspect of our brain. Then there’s a little bridge. And then there’s this whole frontal thing, which is our creativity and our intuition. And, well, I really love life and all this other stuff. The moment you put a stop sign there, this little bridge closes and you’re all back here in this fight or flight thing and you’re stressed. What you want to do for dogs and human beings is to create an environment, where they make the choices. Because if they make the choices, then they own it, then it’s theirs. 

You had mentioned giving people and dogs 45 seconds to really process. So when you’re meeting a dog and training a dog for the first time and you’re using that 45 second buffer when you’re training them, what does that look like for you? How do you start? What’s your end goal? And maybe what are some of the steps in between? All good trainers do this and all good trainers, good teachers, whether they’re teaching children or other animals or whatever. All good teachers always say, Don’t worry about it. You’ll get it. The only difference is that and that gives the child and that gives the dog time to process, without interrupting them. And the only reason I say 45 seconds is it gives on anchor that people say, Oh, yeah, I have to be patient. And while the dog is figuring it out, while that client is figuring out or if you’re trying to figure something out if you tell yourself, okay, don’t worry about it. I’m gonna give you 45 seconds to figure it out.

 So the way I do that is I first, I’m training the dog from the moment I come in. The people are talking to me and the dog is jumping and the dog is barking and the people say, no, stop it. And this is the problem, I said, I got it from here. Okay, I’m talking to your dog. Your dog is talking to me. That’s when I say, don’t believe anything I say until you see what’s about to happen. And so if you’re ignoring the behavior you don’t want, which is the jumping and everything else. The dog says, Okay, this guy is not paying any attention to all the barking and the nipping and the jumping. That’s when the dog starts to process and says, Uh, I wonder what else I’ve got and most people teach their dogs to sit. But even if they don’t, the dog figures it out. I will go with, if the dog’s jumping on me, then tell the people, watch this and I glance at the dog really quick. I’m gonna take my eyes off the dog and the dog keeps jumping, jumping, jumping, jumping. I say this is called the 45 second Rule. Within 45 seconds, that dog will get off of me, and I will immediately give them a $10,000 treat. The dog will then jump on me again and I’ll tell the people, watch this. I keep my hands here so I’m not moving around. When you move around, that’s exciting for a dog. And then within 44 seconds or 40 seconds, the dog will get off and I’ll give them a treat and I said the 45-second rule has to do with you’ve got to give the minions in your head, the neurons in your head, time to connect, time to grow. And the average length of time it takes for that initial connection here is 45 seconds. Some dogs it’s a little bit longer. Some dogs are really sharp, depending on their history, their health, and all kinds of stuff. But once they see that happen, then they say, huh? And that’s when I show them and people are just the same. Which is the example that I was giving you before. Honey, what is the name of the actor? Honey was the name of the actor? Honey was the name of the actor?  You say it once, give the neurons time to access that.

 Here’s a great story. I had a client 15 years ago, and she called me up about two months ago. She said, Paul, I never forgot what you taught me about this whole thing for the time and all this. She said it’s really been great. And she said, I started working for a nursing home, where they have a lot of people with Alzheimer’s and Dementia and everything. And there’s this wonderful couple and they’re in their eighties and the husband comes in every single day and he’s there with the nurse and the nurse, God bless her, was just one of those wonderful people on earth. She was very encouraging and she’s trying to get the woman to eat. And so the husband would come in and hold the wife’s hand and the wife didn’t recognize him anymore. And it’s anything but. So she said, OK, Rosemary. OK, open your mouth. Okay. And she put the food in her mouth. Okay, now swallow. Swallow it, Rosemary. Swallow. And she’d do it for five or 10 minutes. But the woman, she just wouldn’t do it. So the nurse said, don’t worry about it. She’s not going to starve. We take good care of her. And the husband understood, and the nurse helper came over. If she said to them, would you mind if I tried something? And he said, Well, of course. And so she brought up the food and said, OK, Rosemary and put the food in her mouth and she said Swallow. And she never repeated it again. She said You’re doing really good. Doesn’t that taste good? And so there was some kind of a neurological thing going on here, of memory. And she swallowed in 35 seconds. And the husband, the husband just went nuts. And it’s a heartwarming story, and it doesn’t work with all people, in all situations. It’s just happened to be a really special situation.

 And I said in dog training, you’re saying Sit, sit, sit, sit, sit. Down, down. Come, come, come. Why won’t the dog do it the first time? Honey, did you clean your room yet? Honey, did you clean your room? Honey, did you clean your room? You’ve got to give people, you’ve got to give dogs a choice and you can’t interrupt them, while all these vacillations are going on inside your head. So I forgot what you asked me, but that was a story.

 I like that. And I think you’re right as much as it is about training the dogs, I think as humans I am very much a processor, right. I need time to process a conversation. Much longer than 45 seconds, truthfully, but to absorb something before you can really think about either what you’re going to say or what your choices are. I’m very much a processor, but in this day and age, it’s hard to do, right? 45 seconds is an eternity to people these days. And so it’s a good reminder that you do need that processing time, to make a choice. So I love the correlation between the two. So thank you for sharing that story. And what’s really important is if people can get the understanding, I just pass along what I’ve learned of this and all of the stuff here. But one of the most important things that came to me, over the years, was this whole thing about 99% of learning is unconscious. Like you’re growing a tomato plant. You don’t have to be out there all the time feeding it, watering it, talking to it. You just put it out there. You feed it, water it every once a while. You tell your dog good. You play with them every once in a while, but you grow that behavior. So you have to believe that behind the scenes, that behavior is ripening, just like the tomato. Paul McCartney, for example. All of a sudden, he said, you know, I’ve been trying to write this song, trying to write this song,  trying to write this song. And I woke up one morning and in 20 minutes, I wrote it. It was all done. Well, why is because behind the scenes, Mother Nature was growing the behavior for you, and all of a sudden, there it is. Just like the tomato plant. it gives you a ripe tomato. So the song was “Yesterday”, and that’s how writing happens. It’s behind the scenes. You just believe in the process, and that’s really difficult for people. So don’t worry about it,  Mother Nature will grow this for you. Yeah, it is difficult. Again, the world is changing, right? So we have to be reminded of those basic things. And I think that story and what we were just talking about is a great representation of that.

 I saw on your website that you do work with local rescues and shelters, and how you talk about really socializing puppies within the 1st 14 weeks is critical. And so I want to know a little bit about those relationships with local rescues and shelters and why that’s so important to you? Why do you invest in that? I relate it all to me and my family and all of my human friends is dogs and humans are the same with 33 things that affect behaviour and is the genetic component with the parents. Grandparents. I think it goes back four generations and longer, what they pass along to you. That affection, behavior, and temperament. Then the socialization window. I believe for children it is the first 3 to 6 years of life. For dogs, it is the first approximately 14 weeks. Socialization does not mean just putting your dog or putting your child into a situation and saying, Let’s see how you do it. Socialization is putting them in a situation, so it’s a positive experience, and they get used to all the touches and sounds and different substrates, whether it’s grass or cement or the carpet or whether it’s tile.

 And why is this important? It’s because of the whole context and all dog trainers know, this is pretextual learning. If you’re in a play and you memorize all the words, and all of a sudden the lights are on and you’re wearing different clothes and people are there, you forget the words because you never practiced in that situation or that context. Or if I see you in a restaurant, when the restaurants open again, and your hair is down and you’re not wearing glasses, I’ll look at you and go, you look familiar, but you have to reintroduce yourself to me. And once you re-introduce yourself to me, hair up, hair down. With a purse, without a purse. With a hat. Without a hat. Eventually, those neural connections all come to a head, and psychology is called generalization, I’ll know you even if I meet you in a bistro in France. That’s culture conversation, and that’s what it’s like for dogs. You have to reintroduce the behavior. I know how to sit on tile. Yeah, but you never taught me on carpet. That sounds familiar. You have to reintroduce the behavior. And people know that. They meet people at work and I see somebody in a supermarket, and then you have to reintroduce them. So that’s why this takes so long. That’s the whole socialization is reintroduction or introduction to new things, over and over and over again. And the brain is most pliable for children, between the first 3 to 6 years. I’m dealing with stuff that I remember back when I was five years old. For dogs is the first 14 weeks. That doesn’t mean you can’t still change behavior. It’s genetic socialization.

And then the third part is how the dog is raised or how the child is raised. And so that’s why it’s so important. And if you’re at a shelter, I made one of the great shelters that I’m affiliated with here. They take dogs off of Indian reservations, and so any one time, they could have 20,30, 40 puppies there, and they are socializing them from the time they’re there. If you go to my website, there is a video of me working with three-week-old dogs, and by the time the video ends, the puppies are 8 to 10 weeks, they know how to do everything. Sit, down, stay, come, whatever. But they have a group of volunteers that come in and handle the puppies, and we teach them to climb and to go underthings. That’s what socialization is. Getting the dogs used to the world.

Walk me through, in that 14 week period, when do you really start socializing? We don’t have to go into the details. But what does that look like? Are you doing it on week two? Are you doing it on week seven? The moment the dog comes into your home. Look at this way, the dogs and humans are the same in that we have all these senses and all this information is coming in and the brain is trying to make sense of it. And so, since you know that is happening, you’re going to A set up the environment so that it’s safe, but B so that it’s stimulating. Teach a dog to balance, just a couple of times a day, for a minute here, and a minute there. Saying, Okay, I’m gonna introduce you to this balance board. I’m gonna introduce you to this toy. I’m gonna introduce you to the South. You make it part of your everyday life, just like you’re gonna live. The easiest way to do that, I can refer people, if anybody listens to this, I can refer people to lists. One of the things on the socialization list, How do you do? But the answer to your question is home with the dog.

 For me at least, I see and I don’t know if I’m being naive or not. But for me, socialization is very different from training. Am I being naive in that statement or? They’re hand in hand. You can’t socialize and not train. Can’t train without socialization. And why? Why is that? Because of the whole contextual learning thing that I just spoke about. You teach a dog to sit in one context, you’re introducing them to another context. But in a positive way, socialization again is trying to get the dog familiar so that they’re confident and you empower the dog and so that they’re happy.

A good way of looking at this, I did a seminar years ago. And I said, people and dogs have these faucets, and this faucet over here is all the stress hormones. And in the right amount, that’s really good. You got this cortisol to help you with fight or flight, everything, but too much of it, and you get exhausted and your immune system goes down. You got this other faucet over here with the I love you hormones. You know, the endorphins. Say I love you Dopamine and serotonin and the family Oxytocin one. Our job is to A not put a dog over their stress management threshold because that forces all those stress hormones, just like human beings. This you say I’m gonna open up this faucet so that you feel really good about what’s about to happen, and you’re confident. So if you walked into a home and the person in the whole gave you $100 bills said, Hey, it’s good to see you, Rachael, Here’s $100. Here’s another 100. That first impression means a lot, and you’d want to go back there. You are more open to what’s going on around you. And so the whole socialization process is trying to get these chemicals going. And so the dog builds confidence and becomes empowered. So you want to create an environment that’s safe, but it’s also enriching and eventually emotionally stimulating, just like us.

 I really love the way you put that. And honestly, I’ve learned so much with you and in the short amount of time that we’ve chatted. What you do really well, Paul, in my opinion, is you bridge the gap between dogs and humans and communication, by relating and telling stories and making it something that we can all understand, right? Not everybody understands the dog training terminology, but we can all understand how we feel as humans and how we learn and how we receive information. And you’ve made a lot of very valid points today in that if we look at ourselves, dogs learn and live the same way. And so I appreciate that that’s the angle that you’ve taken today with this. I’ve learned a lot. I hope our listeners will learn a lot listening to this. And I have just appreciated my time with you.

 As we get close to wrapping up, is there anything else that you want to mention that we didn’t get to? Oh, commercial! All right, so you can go to my site. A lot of times when people listen to these, they have more questions at the end than they had in the beginning. And so there’s a ton of free material on my site. But books and DVDs are out there, and I don’t do it to say, Hey buy my book and DVD, I’m gonna say, I read everybody’s books and DVDs. And so if anybody’s interested in learning the step by step protocols for any of this stuff, there’s a lot of free stuff. I’m doing online classes now because of the virus. I haven’t been out of this house in 4 weeks. But basically, when I finish any class, I always say the same thing that teachers taught me 50 years ago when I started this and that is to be as kind and patient with yourself as you are with your dog and that’s the science behind it. It just simply takes time. No, I love that. It was beautifully stated and we will definitely link to your website. We’ll make sure that everybody can get those resources easily and then we’ll share on social media as well, so we’ll definitely make sure to do some linking. And I agree I got sucked into your website. As I told you before, we really started recording. There’s a lot of stuff out there, so we definitely want to encourage people to check out your site as well.

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