Lisa Lanser Rose is a Certified Trick Dog Trainer, Official Stunt Dog Judge, and a member of the board at the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club. She is a creative writing professor and an award-winning author of the memoir “For the Love of a Dog” and the novel, “Body Sharers”. Lisa also writes and speaks about canine rescue, dog training, and women’s issues. She and her Champion Trick Dogs also perform throughout the Tampa Bay, FL area.
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Lisa Lanser Rose is a certified trick dog trainer, official, stunt dog judge and a member of the board at the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club. She is a creative writing professor and in an award winning author of the memoir For The Love of a Dog and the novel Body Shares. Lisa also writes and speaks about canine rescue, dog training and women’s issues, and she and her champion trick dogs also performed throughout the Tampa Bay, Florida area. Haley, so welcome to the show. Hey, Rachel, how are you? I’m doing great today. I’m so excited to connect with you and learn a little bit more about you and your path in this training world. So why don’t you kick us off and tell us a little bit about you and how you got involved with dog training. Oh my gosh, I think I was born with the gene for dog loving. I’m pretty sure certain there’s a thing for this, that I suffer it. Yeah, I wanted a dog in the worst way when I was a small child and drove my parents crazy. And they finally got me a wire haired fox terrier when I was 11 years old. And I knew my parents thought that I was not gonna take care of that dog. And I was so grateful tohave that dog, that I swore I was never gonna make them regret it. And I went right to work training that dog. I went to four h. I learned obedience and confirmation handling, which is the kind of thing that you see on the Westminster Breed competitions. And I also taught my dog tricks because I was a fan of Lassie on any show that had, like, the Little Rascals, had a dog in it. Sure, I’m dating myself. I remember those Show us So you’re not dating. I wanted to be an animal trainer for television, so I trained my dog to do lots of tricks just on my own, figured out how to do it and then for H included a trick competition. And the first time we entered it, we won the trophy, so I was hooked from Oh, gosh, I must have been 13 when I won that trophy. I still display it proudly, but it wasn’t until I got my dog, Mick, my border collie that I have now. And my sister gave me a book called 51 Puppy Tricks. I think it was called, which is written by Cure Sundance, and I taught Mick many, many tricks, and Mick was very sick as a puppy. Invents couldn’t figure out what was wrong with him. So tricks were something that he was able to dio, and it kept his mind busy. When he ended up getting more and more sick and he ended up in intensive care, it was showing this staff that he could do tricks like the tricks, tricked the staff into seeing mawr. Then may actually be there in the dog like I think the trick about a dog trick is that it makes you think the dog is in on the joke. Christine. I’ve thought a lot about it on what people would say to me. More than one person said this to me. He’s a little boy in a dog suit. Is it? Humanized him. You know it. Like I think if you had a Venn diagram of dog and human, I think there’s a huge overlap in our consciousness and personalities and all but tricks make that a parent that maybe even broaden it a little bit. So the staff became or invested in him, and I’m pretty sure that’s why his life was saved. Vets have said that it’s a miracle that he lived. He has a B 12 deficiency, but most puppies die before they’re diagnosed. The dogs that have this So that’s a long answer of how I got involved in dog tricks and why it means I’m gonna choke myself up here. Why it means so much to me. Teoh do dog tricks with my dogs and to help other people learn to do it. Dog tricks. Yes, so this is a little bit different, right? So some of the other people that I talk with it’s really more about the obedience in the behavior and free me. You’re still training. It’s just a different angle in the tricks that you speak of. It’s fascinating to me, and I love that. Those tricks were what pushed Mick Teoh just fight through and overcome what he was dealing? Definitely, Yes, I used the tricks to to try to keep him engaged in his own life, fighting for his own life. I would remind him who he was and what he had to look forward to, but also it gave the staff ways to interact with him. It made him stand out from all the other dogs languishing in intensive care, and they wanted him to live. They felt like they knew him a little bit more, and so I really think that’s why he lived. I definitely love the story of Mick, and I love that for you. It started at such a young age with your first dog at 11 your first competition at 13 and for age. And I love that journey for you. And so let’s fast forward. So I know where your love of tricks started. So tell me how you’ve evolved from that to where you are now. There are two elements. One is THEA Percent Coast Dog Training Club and the other one is cure Sundance’s. I guess it’s the governing body of trick dog titles and stunt dog titles, and that organization is called Do More With Your Dog. And she’s the author I mentioned earlier who wrote 51 puppy tricks after Mick and I earned through 51 puppy tricks. We got the next book, which was 101 Dog Tricks. And somewhere in there, while I was just putting trick after trick after trick on Mick, who loved performing them anywhere, anytime. He is an unusual dog in his focus and his self confidence. He’s unflappable, so we would perform in restaurants and shopping centers and it just informally, and we got a lot of attention for that. The more people are watching, the more he shows off. It’s wonderful, but Kira Sundance launched trick dog titles and I thought, Well, gosh, that gives me a cookie You know, it gave me incentive to keep working with him so that I could earn titles on him in something I already loved all my life, right? So very quickly we got all the way the championship hand. I was a little disappointed because we did it so quickly and now we had a championship and there were no more tricks titles to be earned. But then she launched a program for people to become certified trick dog instructors. And I thought, Well, goodness, I’m already a teacher. I teach creative writing so I can do this. So I got that certification and I thought, This gives me a way to give back to the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club. So let’s talk about that for a second. When Mick was a sickly puppy, I would enroll him in school and sometimes he was too sick to go, You know, for example, we did likes puppy class, and then we did basic obedience. And then I had him in agility or scent detection. And he’s six months old. Haven told you know, at some of the local schools were expensive, and when he was too sick to go to school and I thought he might Di is a very real fear that he might die. I would say, I’m sorry, I we’re not gonna be able to make. And of course, I’d be weeping as I wrote an email on and I say, Is it possible to have our money refunded and they would say no. And then I found the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club and their prices were a little cheaper. It’s not like I went looking for a place like this. It was just It’s nearby and I didn’t know the difference between a school in a club. But I enrolled them in a class and when Mick got too sick and this only happened twice, I’m just talking about one instant where they wouldn’t refund my money. And then the second time it happened, he happened to be enrolled in an upcoming classes, the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club, and they responded with complete compassion. They said, That is terrifying and sad. We’re so sorry you’re going through that off course you can have a refund. And it was the kindness that made me think. Well, we don’t need any place else. I want to be with people who care, You know, who understand. Rachel Mitt costs us about $20,000. So my good nurse here, you know, it’s not like I was nickel and dime and we were trying to save for a down on the house, and this was causing a great deal of strange in my marriage, So it meant a lot to me on so many levels that the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club responded with compassion. So we began to study there and now my best friend’s air, their canine and human. Yeah. So when I became a certified trick dog instructor, I pitched to the club that we have classes and teach trick dog training, and they were happy to let me become an instructor there. So, like I said earlier when we were speaking that I have been teaching there about four or five years now and I have assistance, I teach beginner tricks and I teach advanced tricks to of our students. Just became champions. How? Yeah, one of the things I think I really connect with people on is when they connect with not just people but dogs. And one of the things that really got me when you were telling that story Waas how they made you feel when you were going through that the word you used was compassion and to find an organization or a business cause training is a business that has that compassion and can understand what you’re going through and for them to say It’s OK, We’ll give you your money back. You take the time that you need if and when you’re ready. That’s a lot. That’s automatic connection. And I love that you were able to take that and as soon as Mick was feeling good enough and feeling better and ready to please and learn that you went back and said, This is where I want to be And not only did you do the training with Mick there and the tricks, but you were able to bring an idea to them and they were open to that and willing to hear you and support you in that. So I really loved that story and I just want to say Thank you for sharing that and thank you toe Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club for being a compassionate business and supporting the people in the community and their clients. I think that’s incredible. Yes, the thing about the upper son to Coast Dog Training club is that it’s a club, so it’s a non profit okay, and everybody who works there is a volunteer, so all of the classes, if you go to the website, you’ll see there are many classes. In fact, we could doom or if we were bigger, if we could afford a bigger space there. People ready to teach even more than we offer now there are a lot of very committed, very talented and creative people there. Thank you for sharing that. As we get into these conversations, I think understanding and learning what that difference is, as you said there a club. And then there are other trainers who have businesses, and so I think that’s a really important distinction to make. So I appreciate you teaching me that so that I can understand. If you have a club in your area, you should go check it out. A lot of us also along to and or study at another ST Pete Dog Club. And then there’s a dull club in Tampa, which I recently discovered sometimes offers free style classes, which are dog tricks and obedience kind of behaviours set to music, and it’s choreographed. I think many of us have seen videos. If you haven’t yet just search for canine freestyle and you’ll see that in action, they offer classes and that they also do trick demos and they have tricked all classes. So I approached them and they’ve asked me to become I did. I put in my membership. I’m still waiting to see if they’ll accept me, but they seem happy that I’m interested in. They might want me to teach tricks or stunt dog. I also do agility of been doing agility with Mick for about five years. I have another dog to what she does agility as well. I love that. And honestly, one of my favorite dogs is a border collie. And so I love that that is Mix. So of course, when I was watching your videos, I have a soft spot. And so Mick just melted my heart so we’ll make sure to link to the some of those videos and so that people can look at that and see what you’re doing great with the animals in the community there. So talk to me a little bit about what goes into teaching tricks. What are you doing in your classes at Upper Suncoast? And how do people really get involved? How do they know if they have the right dog toe learn tricks? Can any dog learn tricks like I have a lot of questions in my head. You can see walk me through a little bit about what that looks like. I have a lot to say about one thing. I remember when I first started doing tricks with Nick, and as I said, he’s a very special dog and he makes me look good. There’s no question, and I’ve trained other dogs fosters that I’ve had and I’ve trained Maisie and Mika’s maybe a once in a lifetime dog. So you need to hear that caveat before you watch him work. Yeah, cause I would be in a pet shop and I would just do tricks with him just to keep him busy and engaged as we’re moving through this door. And sometimes he would draw a crowd and invariably somebody with murmur under his breath. My dog would never do that. He’s too stupid. And that would break my heart every time because I feel that maybe this is crazy, but I feel like Mick was not put on this Earth to make you unhappy with your dog. By comparison, you know he’s here to show you that you can do all kinds of things with your dog any dog can learn to do all of the’s. Maybe not all these tricks, but certainly enough of them to impress your friends and family. And you let me back up and say that if you’re coming to one of my classes, say my beginner class, you need to have basic obedience. I didn’t used to require that, but I found that I ended up spending a lot of time in my classes. Just teaching. Sit, stay, come those air, all necessary foundations for teaching tricks. So I like my students tohave a basic obedience class or star puppy and a little bit impulse control in the dog. It just makes it easier so that we can get to all the cool stuff, right? Want me, right? Yeah. So the thing is that some dogs are not food motivated or they’re not toy motivated. You have to find what motivates your dog. And some dogs have what they call hired Dr than other dogs. If you’re go doesn’t have a high drive things we might go a little more slowly. You have to keep your sessions little shorter. Maybe you train them when they’re hungry to increase their food drive or you find a squeak toy or something they really want. It might just be that you and your dog haven’t figured out what your gold really wants. Yet if you think your dog can’t learn and then some tricks are harder for some dogs, and it is not necessarily a breed thing. It’s just an individual thing. Their tricks, Mick learns very quickly, and then there, tricks that Maisie learns very quickly and their tricks that Maisie has learned right away that it took Mick Months to learn. So the thing I like about old tricks, in part is that it’s very laid back and fun loving. And if a trick is frustrating, you find a different trick. You know, come back to it later, whereas if you’re in obedience or agility, there’s a precept behaviors you have to dio, you know, in obedience. It has to be a hell. It has to be precise. It has to be at a certain angle. It’s in that way. Unforgiving is very high bar, whereas tricks If you teach your dog to beg, there are lots of ways of Duncan bag. Amazing grows one Paul way up over her ear like she’s raising for. And if you pick me, pick me and there’s nobody there to say, Oh, that’s not a big Both paws have to be parallel side by side like a squirrel, you know. So there’s a lot of room for individuality and for individual preferences and individual Proclivities. So you get to pick and shoes. Just do what you and your dog like. Also, tricks. Training is all positive all the time. So choke chain, there’s no need for it. I mean, what’s at stake, right? No, nothing. Just the sheer joy off the two of you sitting in this bubble of one on one. Attention and adoration. It’s very Zen. It’s, Ah, high bonding time, and it makes you a better trainer and anything else you’re gonna pursue if you’re going to do obedience, if you’re gonna do agility, if you’re going to do more coursing or bargain hunt anything, any other dogs for it Fly ball. You will get better at those sports from practicing tricks. The word that you used was bonding right, and that’s the word that I kept thinking about from the very beginning. When you started talking about it was it feels like a very personal moment to have with your dog, because to your point, obedience is really about making sure that they’re safe. You’re doing off leash training and things of that nature, like you don’t want them running away from you are they have a high prey drive like that’s about keeping them safe and getting them to live in your world to behave there. That fits your lifestyle. And so when you were talking about this, that is the one. Word was bonding that kept coming to me, so I appreciate that. At least I was on the right track when you were talking about that. Definitely, that’s what it’s all out. And when I told you earlier about Mick being in the I C. U. His doing tricks allowed him to bond with, even though they weren’t training him. Mick will do tricks for other people. I just handed the Treat show about who is, and people even some grizzly old vet who’s been practicing for 50 years. His eyes will light up because it is innate Lee charming, So the staff at the hospital bonded with him. I taught at a high school back when he was a puppy and I would take him into work and the students would do tricks with him and bond with him. I do love that into your earlier comment. There is definitely overlap with dogs and people because as people, we want to please other people, right? I myself and very much a people pleaser. And so I’m glad we have that in common, and dogs have that same drive like that’s where the tricks come in is because they want to see you happy. They want to please you. And so I definitely see the overlap, particularly with the tricks that you’re talking about when it comes to training. It’s fascinating for me to see the similarities. They want eye contact. They want, Ah, high pitched voice. The way we talk to babies, they want to hear that they want to hear that you’re delighted. I’ve noticed that Mika retrieves in the pool every morning. Doesn’t matter how cold it is on. He likes playing for his be outside. But I noticed that if I’m engaged, if I’m just throwing the toy, he does it, whatever it is. But this noticeably more joy in his behavior when I’m going? Oh, boy, what a dog. Catch a good boy, you know, And I definitely want to make sure that we linked to your videos, cause it’s definitely a parent in how you are with him when you’re walking through these scenarios or these trick sessions and you definitely do that, everything that you’re talking about today, here, with me, you are showing in your videos with Mick. And so I think it’s important. You know, sometimes we say, Do as I say, not as I do. And so I love that. What you’re sharing with me here today is something that you practice every day with not just your clients with your students, but also with your own animals. And I really appreciate that. You know, you just made me think of a very important level to this. To which brings us back to the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club. Me is a teacher. One thing I noticed, integrity’s has always been just fanatically important to May, and I think that’s part of what you’re talking about is that you’re noticing that I may have something to critique. So, working with dogs, I began to notice that in classes I was taking or even my students amongst each other. I would notice that the positive reinforcement I was teaching them to use in their training with their dogs was not necessarily something that they showed each other human to human. I sometimes didn’t see an instructor treating their students with using positive reinforcement. And then I became a member of the board of the Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club. Didn’t know. We see positive reinforcement used among board members, and the irony was particularly painful to me that we would 00 and also in rescue. I would see people advocating positive reinforcement and then shaming other people for various missteps and being sometimes outright cruel on social media. They were lighting the torches and grabbing their pitchforks, sometimes for an and a perceived infraction. I think I teach my students this. We need to treat each other the same way we treat our dogs. Absolutely. Your family members. That way you will get you know, a lot more. What is that? You catch more flies with sugar and you know what that thing is? So I think in always. If you’re involved in dogs training at all using positive reinforcement with your students and with your colleagues and with your family members, but also with yourself, because you hear all the time that people are suffering depression and anxiety. Maybe because social media that comparing themselves. Like I said earlier, people would see me working with Mick and then think poorly of their own dogs, you know? So there’s I don’t know if it’s cognitive restructuring or what it’s called in the psychology field, but learning. Teoh, take a step back from that negative self talk and giving yourself some positive reinforcement and compassion the same way you would treat a dog. We would want a dog to be treated cause inside world good dogs we don’t want to be, so you shouldn’t be harsh with yourself or with each other. Trick dog training or dog training in general, for me is are very holistic exercise and well being for you and your dog and the people around you and I. Now I kneel, teach creative writing in an all positive format because creative writing is a huge personal risk, and when you have somebody assessing your brainchild, you’re extremely vulnerable, and often you’re writing about things that are emotionally risky, too, and so we need to be in a safe space where we can take creative risks and be ourselves and nurture each other. I agree with that wholeheartedly, and I could not have said it any better. I myself in hard on myself and so I appreciate that holistic picture, that big picture because you’re right in dog training, writer and animal training in general. It’s a problem you mentioned in the rescue world, and that’s so true. Everybody wants to beat up on somebody who’s not doing it their way, and we need to be more supportive in whatever we are doing. I think that’s hugely important when I definitely couldn’t have said it any better, and so I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my time. Lisa and I just want to thank you again for joining me today. And before we wrap things up, is there anything else that we didn’t touch on that you want to share? No, I’ve had such a good time talking with you. Rachel, Thank you so much for featuring Upper Suncoast Dog Training Club and may, in my little part in it, I really appreciate it. And what you’re doing is very exciting. Well, thank you. Thanks again, Lisa. And we’ll definitely stay in touch. Okay, great. Thank you.
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