On today’s episode, we’re speaking with Uttam Kafle all the way from Nepal. Uttam is a vegetarian by birth and has worked as a teacher, media house manager, graphic designer and business entrepreneur before joining Animal Nepal in 2012. He is now the Executive Director of this fast-growing animal welfare organization. During his time with Animal Nepal, the equine outreach program has expanded to 4 districts of Nepal and they have obtained a Memorandum Of Understanding with the sub-metropolitan city of Lalitpur, to work on a humane dog population management program together. He tells us how he got started in animal rescue, programs of Animal Nepal, how they involve the community and more! To learn more about Uttam and Animal Nepal you can visit their website, http://animalnepal.org/ Welcome to the Professionals and Animal Rescue podcast, where goal is to introduce you two amazing people helping animals and share how you can get involved with animal rescue. This’ll Podcast is probably sponsored by do bert dot com. Do Bert is a free website designed to connect volunteers with rescues and shelters and the only site that automates rescue really transport. Now on with our show on today’s episode, we’re speaking with You, Tim Coughlin all the way from Nepal, who Tim is a vegetarian by birth and has worked as a teacher, media, house manager, graphic designer and business entrepreneur before joining Animal Nepal in 2012. He’s now the executive director of this fast growing animal welfare organization. During his time with Animal the Pole, the equine outreach program has expanded to four districts of Nepal, and they have obtained a memorandum of understanding from the sudden metropolitan city of Lalit for toe work on the Humane Dog Population Management Program. Together, Putin believes that in order to improve animal welfare changes needed the behavior of all levels of stakeholders in this community. This reflects in his work modality and his drive to build relationships with all stakeholders from grassroots to the government. Hey, Tim, welcome to the program. Thank you so much. So tell us a little bit about you. I mean, obviously we’re talking to all the way in Nepal. But why don’t you tell our listeners a little bit more about you and animal Nepal? Well, basically, I grew up in a countryside of Nepal on the I came to Katmandu, which is capital city of Nepal for further study. And ah, you know, when I came to HK Armando I came toe No, with all those a serial it’d with animal on then how animal are being abandoned in the city? That is quite rare, you know, for people like me who grew up in a countryside in a very lazy and everybody have the animal. But they kept it in a proper manner, you know? But here in the town, the situation was quite different. And, you know, that was the kind of beginning. Ah, the whole issue pulls me and then literally I was working with a graphic designing company. It’s a kind of basically media house where I used to do graphic design and also the work and operandi I gotto designing work about animal A Paul and I was goingto the report, the brochure, the plier that they have been producing. That was really interesting, you know, not only interesting, but I I would like to do something for the animal, and that really gives me an opportunity to know about animal issues and an animal with the movement in the pole and the literal I got an opportunity to connect with. Ah, cofounder of Animal A Paul. That is how I you know, I was connected with animal appall the after and the year Cem. Sometimes there was a back and see an animal, a pole. My I decided to quit the very fancy work of graphic designer. And, you know, it was this sector. You know, that is the kind of about my big introduction about how I came to this film. Yeah, that’s really cool. Now, you know, you and I obviously met about three years ago at the Humane Society conference. It was in Florida, I believe that year. And I was just so anything Yeah, and I was really excited to learn about the work that you’re doing. So tell tell our listeners about how animal rescue is different in Nepal. Then they might be used to hearing about in the United States. We’ll hear the whole animal will feel moment is quite, ah, New Phantom. And I would say like the whole thing you stuttered since 2000. So it hasn’t like, you know, it’s a start history anyway, So basically they were. They were a couple off established animal, which organization in Kathmandu Valley, and they used to provide service related to street dogs because there was a problem with the stray dogs and government entity used to poison the dogs. You know, toe minimize the duck relation and they, you know, they believe that this is the one and one Lee shot and then effective way toe control dark population in the town S o. I think that is the cause that animal welfare organization established here in Kathmandu, especially on that is why all of them were heavily concerned about the situation of state. Dr. Till this dead Miss Verity of their organization, who are working here in Kathmandu is still rescuing dogs. But some of them are still working with ah, coffee and I stick off and then a few of them are working for cat as well on then, rescue is something quite new for the people in the community, in a country like ours, you know, because we’re, uh, when I join animal appalled. There were a lot off people, including my friend. They used to ask me why you were working for animal like they’re people who are in need like kids are suffering on then at the same time, So you guys are talking about the donkey monkey dogs, cats, you know? So it’s a really new thing, new phenomenon in our society. But now the situation has been chance and then basically organization are rescuing a dog’s sick and injured dogs hit and run cases cats and then our organization, like animal. A pile of working is also working for working animals inputting donkey, hers and meals, especially. They are used in break ins to carry break. So this is a kind of over bill in terms of rescued animals in the poll. Yeah, that’s it’s really fascinating because, as you said, it’s there’s different, you know, feelings, I guess, towards animals and different things that people here in the U. S. Probably don’t experience is much anymore are very commonplace for you guys and you know, one of things that was really interesting. When I look at your your website animal Nepal dot or GE, can you talk about some of the programs that you’re doing? Because I think what’s really fascinating to me is you have a working equine program. Yeah, donkey working elephants. I mean, that’s something. Obviously. Here in the United States, we don’t really have working elephants. Yeah. Okay. So animal nipple senses its establishment started toe, provide some sort of service, lets a treatment sherries and all medical religious service for the street dogs in town, and literally it expanded its program toe working sequence because there are quite a lot of brick factories in Kathmandu Valley, meaning there are estimated 150 bricks. Actors here in Kathmandu Valley only this is a tiny valley, you know, and then that employee is not less than 1500 working animals on back to 2009. Condition of working animals was, you know, it’s really bad. And like donkeys were dying due to lack of proper food. Ah, beauty lack off basic medication. Sometimes there was a problem of overloading Lamaze, you know, hope problems. All those kind of disease that is caused by unsafe drinking water to animal. Epalle decided to expand its work from meaning until that time and multiple was only focus for student population management in Kathmandu. And then after that, we expanded this producto different big factories off Kathmandu Valley in the first phase. And then we started providing free medical support Ah, emergency rescue education program for the equine honors and then different training for the equine handlers. And some sort of started admitting with brick kill honors, you know. So they also could provide some sort of facility for the betterment of working animals in dire brick factories and the awful lot animal Nepal expanded its work in nearby districts of Kathmandu Valley like coverage Harding Republicans burka and out of that burqa either, you know, it’s it’s a hilly, it’s a mountain region and then the nature off animal nature of the world. It’s quite different, like here in Kathmandu valley, working animals are used to carrying bricks. But in the mountain, mules are the lifeline. You know, still in the area we don’t have a road excess. So Milly is the one and only means of transportation that carry goods starting from, let’s say, the basic magician toe food for the tourist construction material like Rod corrugated save gas cylinder, all those things and all. And after some years, animal appall experience. Quite a lot of issues related toe. Captive elephants, you know, like we have a national park in the Rye buildup Nepal, which is called sit own mystics and two tone, is quite famous for the tourist as well. So it is a very kind of interesting place to be there to see wildlife, you know, Tokyo for dental work and even elephant safari. So we heard a lot of company about elephant safari because elephants were not treated properly like they were miss be here and then the training. The whole idea is elephants were Tran, you know, without proper meta are it’s kind of inhuman mater, you know, elephants were being turned on and then quite a lot of people were riding really phantom. An elephant were forced ride for a long, you know, long journey. Several hours, they even in the midday in that heart season after I the arrival of Nepal. So animal a Paul also expanded its work toe bring sums up tended in the life of captive elephants. There are nearly 65 captive elephants being used for these elephants of party purpose. And that is on by recent honor or the hotel honor everyone, sometimes independent people. So this is basically this is a basic overview our program that we’re doing till this time based did. And apart from days, we do have, ah education program me because we believe that writing medical support rescue is not only a ultimate solution, you know, until and unless we tend the community people were aware them are we educate them, problem will be there. So we introduce a different range of education program that target not only the committee people, but school Children. You know that my hood, who handled the elephants and then elephant honors all those people and sometimes including government office here, you know, So we do different lobby and then, you know, walks up with the government agency as well for the ah to bring different kind of legislation that ensure Woodford of animals in the pub. Yeah. I mean, you guys do so much. I mean, just looking through your website, you’ve got so many great programs. It’s just it’s fascinating to me to think that this was only started a few years ago. Within within a decade. Yeah, we started at 2009. Yeah, and you’ve grown so much. So I’m curious. How How is it being received by the community there? And you know, it sounds like you’re trying to do the right things in terms of educating, but advocating, obviously for the animals. How’s the community receiving this? In the beginning, it was it was quite talented because the first is we’re dealing with that issue that community never felt is the real Nate and then shaken animal waas always list prioritized in the list of people you know. So it was very difficult at that time, but slowly we managed to have a good relation with different Department of Government Office l and then way work on that policy level as well. And within Ah, after a few years off intense community program, we managed to establish a very good relation with community people, you know, and then slowly the animal welfare movement also take off in different stages. I have to share that. And then there were a lot of local Bollinger, who really loves animal and really would like to do something for the betterment of animal, and that is how we get into the community. So now we have a strong relation with community people. We have local volunteer from different community. We have a good relation with Helena Fisher and then we have ah, good relation with all those testicular that we are dealing with. So now you know, it’s quite easy as compared to 2012 Hutton. But it’s still in our community. Animal welfare is still sideline, you know, because there are a lot of priority in terms of human and then although the development issues so we’re still, you know, struggling toe posted, this animal referred as in that many stream of society menaced embassies of society and them even the planning mess on planning level of country and then in terms of advocacy work, you know, we always used to go to a place with some sort of service, you know, like we never been to a place this for their cases. So animal Nepal has a full time veterinary doctor, veterinary technician, committee immobilizer and other stuff you know who facilitated base work so slowly by treating animals off dire community are in case of working in Quinn’s. We’re dealing with a direct honor of sequins. So we we get fifth from those people, you know, and then they have some sort of trust with animal about that they’re doing the right things for the betterment of animal and that ultimately will ensure benefit for people as well. You know, like you were treating our hearts. And then if the arses, you know he’ll be unhappy so it can carry Let’s another a lot of number of bricks per day but, you know, substantial amount of breaks that gives enough earning for the animal honor and that our name goes for the education purpose of the kids of the quaint honor, food, medication growth and whatever need they have. So that is how we managed to pawn it, or the link animal welfare issues with with people. And then, you know, other development issues off our nation, and that is how we are succeeding in our advocacy work on. Then it’s quite easy. This this toe do all those campaign for us, you say it’s easy. It sounds. It’s so amazing to me to listen that you’ve kind of taken this approach of person by person and really tryingto work with them and to demonstrate that a healthy animal is going to is gonna benefit the community. Um, can you put it into perspective for people? How big is the community? How many people? What’s the size? Well, let me start from working a quaint like every year we are dealing with, Ah, at least 40 household. The household belongs toa Muslim community and their poorest of the poor, and they’re, you know, uneducated. So it’s quite hard for us to work with this people. But at a toilet before we’re not dealing with a separate animal welfare issues, you know, we are connecting. We’re managing to con it, I would say with Ah, the welfare of people. They are dealing with animals. So let’s sit. If one animal honor on 20 mils, and if that 20 mil survive till in the break season, he will be going to earn a good amount of money, you know, And not only that, at the end of the big products on the season, you can easily sold all the animal and then on another, you know, uh, sort of money. So it’s a kind of double advantage for the people in the animal is survived. Till that did. They can make a good money, and then even if they want to ship, they would like to sell Dire Animal. And I think they’re making good money, you know? So for people like those community, you know, welfare is something worthy they don’t understand. It’s really hard for them to understand, because most of the time Dire family are, You know, they’re struggling for the four, you know, and then there is no way they could provide good from from hers. But since we’re connecting the Sioux of animal welfare and then development off their family, the whole socioeconomic status of their family, they do understand that I have to will be here with my heart because this is a kind of lifeline for me. This is a sole earner for my family. And just because I have this hilly hers, I am, you know, able to learn. Let’s a basic amount of money and then I’m able to send my kids today school. So that is how we’re connecting with those community. But here in Cartman dough in terms up stray dogs it’s quite different phenomena like here. We’re dealing with state dogs and sometimes we call them Community. The community dogs Comedy dog is something that lives in a, you know, in a different took defend Carter Bali. Different stop. So basically, they’re also state docks. But at least the stock keeper the hotel honor are the people who lived in that particular. So they do take care of the dark. So we call them Community Duck. What were again connecting here is health issue of people, you know, like most of the people are offered with Rabies. Don’t bite the scent that doc fight, you know, the noise pollution. So we are connecting the dark population issues with the public health issues and then some other issues of the societies of people who loves dog is already in our side But the people who are least continent But they didn’t bother about the state docks, But they do care about diet held and then elder dial family is coming into our side and then, you know, collaborating This thesis program. And then if I need to tell you something over the Hillary’s and we’re where we are also dealing with Quinn honors, we found that people who lives in Mountain are quite easy to work with compared to the people who lived in Ferraris and on. Then they works in break factors because they’re in the mountain. An animal. It has a different value, you know, like animal is the one and only source of means of transport days and especially the mule. If there is no mule, they couldn’t deliver rice, they couldn’t deliver basic position, nothing. And all those tourism in this industry, we’re gonna shut down if there is no meal. So mule has a kind of different starters in the society, depending on the nature of the it’s it’s really interesting. So we’re dealing with a different community with different operas. Is it sounds It sounds really interesting to hear you talk about how you are attaching the value, the animal into the community, and you’re obviously very passionate about this, are there? I’m curious. Are there any particular stories that come to mind that you know would really help our listeners to understand Well, I What I I can tell you is like I originally I think it has been like three or four months. We got a we got a full dog nearby Latif Artistic near a power animal. Develop these and then we send our technician but no technician for the treatment of the dog. And then, you know, it’s when our people went there. The situation waas you know, it’s overwhelming. There was all lady with nor listen like eight years and then she was living in under the tarpaulin sit. I don’t know whether I see she’s a slip her house. Our city has no one to take care but and then under that tarpaulin said seed man is too kept kept at least three dogs, you know, like she was in her our whole days and she was really poor. And then, you know, the tarpaulin cities. It’s not less than 10 Esquire feeling it’s very tiny place and in that condition, seed managed to a committed three dogs. And that is really our starting story for me, you know, because most of the time people be complex that Oh, I don’t have good compounds. I don’t have a good house to keep the dogs, and that is the reason I’m just letting it go out. But the study of that old lady, that old grandmother, you know, in the tiny dark, rinse it. In this time of monsoon season, many thing toe feed all those dark and see is even managing to contact the local people. And they call animal Nepal. You’ve done it any treatment, you know. So that is really hard starting his story and the another that I can also tell you about working equally knees right after the artwork in the power lots off animals died meaning lots of meals, not less than 300. Mills died at that time in book artistic. So only so there was a family. Oh, on I think, five sequins. And then I think you’re been died during the last week. And you know they have a special relation with the animal. It’s a kind of bound between people and the animal. So when they sift into a tiny temporary hard after the earthquake because that time the house was completely dima list, they keep those remaining animals very far from the village they took with them you know and the Billa time, he said. On the you know, the both people and animals said that same Syria. And then after that, when different organization went there, they managed to open a tiny trail and they then wouldn’t live. They used that animals. They didn’t want it to take a risk because they loved that animal. You know, it’s not like we’ve done love that animals see using animal is defend things because they have to work with animal toe on money to feed their family. But they do care, animal as well. So one day after they managed to open the small trail into that off with the affected area than those animals, those bills he started carrying loads. So what I’m telling you, this story is like sometimes we we do blame community people saying Okay, there are people who don’t care about animal that I love animals. So sometimes it looks different from our point of view as a point of view off campaigner, animal lover are this animal welfare organization. But if you go to a ground, then you can see a little picture like there are some people who really love that animal because it’s a kind of part of diet, like it’s a part of dire, you know, livelihood. It’s a part of that family. Yeah, those air really powerful stories. You, Tammi, they really I get your point that it’s It’s not that people don’t love the animals. They are a part of their life. And, ah, lot of times it is about educating and supporting and and helping out, and they’re in their time of need. So So what’s next for animal? Napo, what is your vision? Is the is the executive director. What? What’s next? What’s the next hurdle for you guys? Well, uh, animal. A ball would like to create a sort of community in the Paul where both animal and then people live happily. It’s a kind of far dream to raise their goal animal apart would like to expand its ongoing work. We would liketo expand our Humana population Management program from 2018. We’re expanding our work in Lumbini, which is also about place of both and good di una. We would also like to experience the water piece from that place as well. And similarly, we’re expanding our working you point out this program because animals are always in a video. So we’re trying our best to do that. And in terms of captive elephants, we really would like to come up with legislation. You know, it’s a kind of legal. It will be a legally binding documents that were already working with, You know, related department off Government of Nepal do come up with legislation for captive elements at the sisters. We don’t have any document that protect those captive elephants and then another. Quite important. We’re also working with ah different sector of the government who deal with legislation to come A with animal welfare act in the pile because we don’t have animal attract. And then that is, you know, sometimes that is not a one and one because of animal suffering. But if we have animal with that, it would be easy for us to work. You know, it will be easy for us to expand our work, to release, you know, thousands of animals and to raise lots of communities. So 2 to 3 years down the line, I really would liketo see the animal with the act is being endorsed from our Nepal government. Andan animal a bottle would be working in 10 different districts of Nepal, spreading the ward off animal weather. And by that time the committee will be conscious enough. So it’s in every people will, you know, ensure Wilford off the animal that is in that that is living in dire community that is being used in dire community. You know, that is being kept in the house or in in their school or whatever the animal is. So we are really aiming that beautiful society, you know, who really respect with this animal? Because we have Ah, we have that history, you know, in our consent, literature escape. Like the Apollo, it used to be a kind of harmonious country for the animal. Like we do worship with the worse it different animal. You know, we do worship donkey. That is, once in a year, you know, people worship dog once in a year during that dog festival, and then they completely forget why they worship the dog. And then probably they’re kicking dog from next time onwards. So we would like to attend that level of understanding of people and then ensure, you know, Wilfred of animal in the power those air great goals. And it’s really inspiring to hear you speak about where you’re headed and what you’re playing to do for animals. And it’s just so moved by everything that you guys were doing before we wrap up with Tim. Is there anything else that you wanted to share with people? I just don’t like to say that animal are you know, they are poor existence off human civilization, like they always been supported to us. You know, they don’t have greed, they don’t have Paul, those bad habits as we human Harry. Anna, they are. They’re a wonderful treasure of the universe. All we need to do is to learn to respect the animal and then tow provide, you know, a prepared environment for them. If we could do that, then only this ass will be beautiful. You know, otherwise, we’re just, you know, we’re just pulling resources from all over. And then we’re just trying to be a, you know, happy human. But until and unless if we cannot ensure the wealth of animal, if we in a simple language, if we put on insure, you know, Wilfred of Animal, where animal can be happy, Li living in this surrounding in this universe, I think, Ah, the whole human, civilized civilization is always in conflict. So we should always try to express the restaurant, the animal, And then we should always, you know, provide our whatever we can do for the betterment of animal. And at last, I would like to thank you for providing me this opportunity to share some work about animal Nepal and some of my personal feeling. Do all this people? I don’t know whether it would be really beneficial for all of them, but I really hope that it will be a kind of incident inspirational, because the doing this sort period of time and among the car managed her toe wet. A lot of work. So thank you so much breast, Chris. Well, thank you time. I definitely think that this was an inspiration for me, for sure. And I know for a lot of our listeners and I really appreciate you coming on and sharing with us, so thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks for tuning into today’s podcast. If you’re not already a member, join the air p A. 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